I became a witness in the late 1940s. I have an extensive library. I have never heard of these. Some of the titles seem to be watchtower articles. have you checked the watchtower cd. they may have been watchtower articles.
Old Goat
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Help needed: Does someone know these WTS publications?
by processor indoes someone know these wts publications?
might be early tracts by russell, something from the judge or whatever ... not "ordinary" books it seems:.
then they will knowthe lord's day and youyou know not the hourthe gentile times have endedgog of magog: the arch deceivergifts in men.
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Kingdom melodies / B4 Copyright/JW`s stealing melodies/anyone remember this ?
by smiddy ini can recall sometime ago in the 60`s 70`s or theirabouts,it when they first printed their own songbook must have been before the org.copyrighted their material,and the reason they did that is because some brothers were stealing the tunes ?
maybe modifying them and passing them off as their own for commercial gain?
( i know some of you are going to say wtf ?
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Old Goat
The first song book published by Zion's Watch Tower was Songs of the Bride, edited by W. I. Mann and published in 1879. The songs were adapted from standard religious songbooks. What you're thinking of is the 1950 song book. It contained "Kingdom Songs" written to "worldly" music, including Hark the Herald Angels Sing and some classical works. There are some similarities between some Witness hymns and "worldly" music that mighty make you wonder about influences.
I don't know about any scandals over the music. It is funny that the 1925 song book has Christmas music in it.
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Photos of Russell Era
by greek inhi to all here i post some photos of the russell era: http://bibliotecajw.blogspot.com/2011/11/fotos-de-la-era-russell.html.
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Old Goat
Some people are as ethical as a snake. You might want to credit the blog from which you 'borrowed' the photos.
Credit where credit is due. The photos all come from http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/ .
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C.T. Russell and 1914
by Quendi ini'm sure there are those on this board who can help me with some research questions.
they concern charles taze russell and his infatuation with 1914 and were posed to me by a member of my own small group.
we call ourselves jwa for jehovah's witnesses anonymous.
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I should add some additional material. Into 1875 Barbour taught that the Gentile Times would end in 1878. He and his associates had been disappointed in 1873 and 1874. They'd expected Christ to return and take them to heaven. When they adopted invisible presence views (prompted by Benjamin W. Keith) they separated two events they believed would be simultaneous: Christ's return and the heavenly glorification (they called it Translation). Barbour believed translation would occur in 1975. He and a small group awaited translation in Brockport NY in the spring of 1875. This failure destroyed most of his chronological frame work, and he sought solutions. He quickly found an alternative fulfillment for 1875 expectations, seeing it as the start date for restitution blessings and an invisible heavenly resurrection. He shifted to Elliott's calculation as the probable end of gentile times.
None of this research is original to me. This comes from Rachael de Vienne, PhD, one of the authors of the Nelson Barbour biography. I don't think this has been published anywhere yet. It's material destined for inclusion in a revision of their book. I am impatient for their second book which discusses Russell and his associates up to 1887. I've read some rough draft chapters. It's spectacular.
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C.T. Russell and 1914
by Quendi ini'm sure there are those on this board who can help me with some research questions.
they concern charles taze russell and his infatuation with 1914 and were posed to me by a member of my own small group.
we call ourselves jwa for jehovah's witnesses anonymous.
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Old Goat
The pyramid measure was used to supplement the 606-1914 calculation. The earliest mention of "gentile times" as 2520 years appears to be in a book by an american clergyman written in the 1790s. Babour got the date from Elliott, as mentioned above. Much of this story is told in the book by Schulz and de Vienne, Nelson Barbour: The Millennium's Forgotten Prophet. It's available at lulu.com
Barbour adopted the 1914 date in 1875. Russell got the date and calculation from him. Russell and Barbour calculated the times of the nations from 606 BC. The current method of calculating from 607 came to Witnesses later, but it is derived from S. D. Baldwin's Armageddon: or the overthrow of Romanism and Monarchy (1854).
Schulz and de Vienne maintain two websites, both blogs. One is public and one is by invitation only, though it is fairly easy to get access to the private blog. They had some sort of harssment issues months ago and took the main part of their work to the invitaiton only blog. The public blog is http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
The meaty research is on the private blog. A recent post about Russell's youth identified the congregational church he associated with, the minister who tried to satisfy his questions of faith and presented other information I did not know. If you're really interested in Watchtower history, that's the best source.
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"Truth History"
by Old Goat insome of you followed the truthhistory blog until it shut down due to some form of harassment.
it's back up and running, though there is only an announcement so far.
i'm glad to see them back on a public blog.
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Old Goat
Some of you followed the truthhistory blog until it shut down due to some form of harassment. It's back up and running, though there is only an announcement so far. I'm glad to see them back on a public blog. The private blog is excellent.
http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
Let's hope they return to the same high standard of material they used to post on this blog.
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Who wrote the May 22, 1969 Awake article "What Future for the Young"?
by VM44 indoes anyone know who wrote the may 22, 1969 awake!
article, "what future for the young?"?.
i wonder if they still are at bethel.. .
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Old Goat
I remember this article. I don't know who wrote it. This is John Wischuck's style, but I really don't know. Everyone writing articles like this in the late 1960's had a more or less homogenized style. That came from the proofreading and editing process. A large number of articles were farmed out to other branches, but the writers were often American or Canadian missionaries. Unless someone told you they wrote a specific article all you were left with was a guess.
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Watchtower falsification of its history
by jwfacts ini received an email with the following information that is worth sharing.. the 2011 yearbook goes to great lengths to elevate the truthfulness of watchtower information in even minor details, and criticise information from other sources.
so it is telling that the 2010 "jehovah's witnesses - faith in action, part 1" has omitted an important element of their history when re-enacting the 1922 cedar point convention.. under the heading "tracing all things with accuracy" the 2011 yearbook states: .
"jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics "their food at the proper time.
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A fruedian connection to taste in women? My wife, when I married her, was a skinny scandanavian. (Now she's a plump one and all that blond hair is more gray than blond.) I don't see a connection to hot, strong, black coffee - except the strong part. She was and is strong of will and blunt with her opinions. I have scars ... (Not really)
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Watchtower falsification of its history
by jwfacts ini received an email with the following information that is worth sharing.. the 2011 yearbook goes to great lengths to elevate the truthfulness of watchtower information in even minor details, and criticise information from other sources.
so it is telling that the 2010 "jehovah's witnesses - faith in action, part 1" has omitted an important element of their history when re-enacting the 1922 cedar point convention.. under the heading "tracing all things with accuracy" the 2011 yearbook states: .
"jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics "their food at the proper time.
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Oh, and I don't drink ovaltine. Coffee, hot, black, strong.
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Watchtower falsification of its history
by jwfacts ini received an email with the following information that is worth sharing.. the 2011 yearbook goes to great lengths to elevate the truthfulness of watchtower information in even minor details, and criticise information from other sources.
so it is telling that the 2010 "jehovah's witnesses - faith in action, part 1" has omitted an important element of their history when re-enacting the 1922 cedar point convention.. under the heading "tracing all things with accuracy" the 2011 yearbook states: .
"jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics "their food at the proper time.
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Old Goat
Russell and One Faith: http://towerhistory.blogspot.com/ you have to request access from the blog owner. this replaced the old truthhitory blog. the owner took it private to avoid harassment. the research is stellar.